1 00:00:05,873 --> 00:00:08,675 [Aziza] I had a dream that I was in a cage 2 00:00:08,775 --> 00:00:11,078 with a bunch of other women. 3 00:00:12,346 --> 00:00:14,548 [glass breaking] 4 00:00:14,648 --> 00:00:16,717 [Seti and Aziza speaking] 5 00:00:18,218 --> 00:00:20,954 And they kept looking at me, and they were like, 6 00:00:21,054 --> 00:00:22,422 "Aziza, like, help us." 7 00:00:29,129 --> 00:00:31,532 And I was like, "How am I supposed to help you 8 00:00:31,632 --> 00:00:33,300 from inside the cage?" 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,536 [Seti speaking] 10 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:41,074 It's never been easier, I think, to fool people. 11 00:00:41,174 --> 00:00:43,210 It's never been easier to mislead. 12 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:45,779 I knew he was going far, 13 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:47,948 but I didn't know he would go that far. 14 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:50,250 [Seti speaking] 15 00:00:54,621 --> 00:00:57,224 [Elizabeth] When it comes to love, betrayal is the death of 16 00:00:57,324 --> 00:00:58,692 a thousand dreams... 17 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:00,727 [paparazzi] Armie, Elizabeth, over here! 18 00:01:01,762 --> 00:01:04,730 [Elizabeth] ...and the unraveling of countless lies. 19 00:01:04,831 --> 00:01:08,869 You can spend years picking up the pieces, examining them, 20 00:01:08,969 --> 00:01:11,271 rearranging them, digging through the past to 21 00:01:11,371 --> 00:01:12,606 make sense of it all. 22 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:14,007 [instrumental "Toxic" by Britney Spears plays] 23 00:01:14,107 --> 00:01:15,809 Navigating through my personal heartbreak 24 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:18,579 took me back to my roots as an investigative journalist. 25 00:01:18,679 --> 00:01:20,547 -Hi, I'm Elizabeth Chambers. -Elizabeth Chambers. 26 00:01:20,646 --> 00:01:21,648 Elizabeth Chambers, 27 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,383 outside the Los Angeles Police Department. 28 00:01:23,483 --> 00:01:24,651 [instrumental "Toxic" continues] 29 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:26,652 [Elizabeth] It ignited a curiosity inside of me about 30 00:01:26,753 --> 00:01:28,055 love that fractures... 31 00:01:28,155 --> 00:01:29,189 You can't escape it. 32 00:01:29,289 --> 00:01:30,557 [Elizabeth] ...inflicts lasting trauma... 33 00:01:30,657 --> 00:01:31,758 He broke me. 34 00:01:31,858 --> 00:01:33,527 Did you think there was a chance he could kill you? 35 00:01:33,627 --> 00:01:34,561 Oh, yeah. 36 00:01:34,661 --> 00:01:35,829 [Elizabeth] ...and can lead to tragedy. 37 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:37,331 Unimaginable loss. 38 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:39,900 [Elizabeth] I feel that it's part of my calling to meet with 39 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,370 the victims, the survivors, to listen to their stories... 40 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:45,005 You're still living in fear. 41 00:01:45,104 --> 00:01:46,073 Every single day. 42 00:01:46,173 --> 00:01:48,008 ...show how it can happen to anyone, 43 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,610 and expose the truth. 44 00:01:51,612 --> 00:01:54,982 I'm Elizabeth Chambers, and this is "Toxic." 45 00:01:55,082 --> 00:01:56,917 [instrumental "Toxic" concludes] 46 00:02:02,689 --> 00:02:04,725 [Elizabeth] Social media is a double-edged sword. 47 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:07,294 It connects us to the world, but it also gives us 48 00:02:07,394 --> 00:02:08,662 the perfect place to hide. 49 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:22,309 [Elizabeth] Because the truth is, you never really know who's on 50 00:02:22,409 --> 00:02:23,510 the other side of the screen. 51 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:27,614 When a viewer sent me this video of Aziza Murphy's ex 52 00:02:27,714 --> 00:02:30,917 breaking into her home, I was horrified. 53 00:02:31,018 --> 00:02:33,020 What you're about to see is a woman who believed 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,554 she was in serious danger... 55 00:02:36,256 --> 00:02:38,759 and who felt that she had no choice but to take matters 56 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:39,860 into her own hands. 57 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:51,171 [Aziza] You know, people always ask you about toxic situations that 58 00:02:51,271 --> 00:02:56,076 you get into, and they say, "What was it about this person 59 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,543 that wasn't right?" 60 00:02:57,644 --> 00:03:02,983 And I was like, "Everything was too right, too perfect." 61 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:05,686 What were your romantic relationships like growing up? 62 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:07,421 I didn't really have that many 63 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,189 romantic relationships growing up. 64 00:03:09,289 --> 00:03:13,060 I actually ended up marrying my high school sweetheart. 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,394 [Elizabeth] And so you have children together? 66 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:16,863 [Aziza] Yes -- we have two beautiful boys. 67 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:23,537 Somewhere around 26 to 27, we decided that it just wasn't 68 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:25,204 a good fit for each other. 69 00:03:25,305 --> 00:03:27,474 We are still amazing friends, 70 00:03:27,574 --> 00:03:30,377 and he's a great dad to my children. 71 00:03:30,477 --> 00:03:33,346 [Sandra] Aziza is my second born. 72 00:03:33,447 --> 00:03:34,748 Always... 73 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:37,984 full of life, spunk. 74 00:03:39,086 --> 00:03:42,222 Always marched to her own beat. 75 00:03:42,322 --> 00:03:45,025 Did not care what others thought of her. 76 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:49,329 Aziza was going to do what Aziza wanted to do. 77 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:51,665 -Which can be hard as a mom. -Absolutely. 78 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:56,103 [Elizabeth] After you and your husband did divorce, you have any serious 79 00:03:56,203 --> 00:04:00,307 relationships after that? -I did. I did. 80 00:04:00,407 --> 00:04:04,845 I started dating somebody and things were starting to 81 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:06,913 kind of get more intense. 82 00:04:07,013 --> 00:04:10,117 And then he was murdered in Baltimore. 83 00:04:10,217 --> 00:04:13,720 We went on a date to the movies and then he dropped me off 84 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:16,856 and then he got robbed and then somebody murdered him. 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,529 So that really did kind of scar me. 86 00:04:22,629 --> 00:04:24,965 That was kind of like, the start of -- 87 00:04:25,065 --> 00:04:26,967 of the cycle of trauma for me. 88 00:04:32,472 --> 00:04:33,640 So I'm posting online. 89 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:37,444 I just been through this big trauma, and I'm posting memes 90 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:40,480 about like how people don't know how to let go nowadays. 91 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:45,185 Right, you know, and it was like a funny meme and this guy comes 92 00:04:45,284 --> 00:04:48,155 out of nowhere, and I've never seen him before. 93 00:04:48,989 --> 00:04:52,325 And he comments on my post, and he's like, "Yo, I agree. 94 00:04:52,425 --> 00:04:54,561 People need to learn how to let go." 95 00:04:54,661 --> 00:04:58,398 And we're just agreeing about everything. 96 00:04:58,498 --> 00:05:01,334 We exchanged numbers, and I'll be honest with you, 97 00:05:01,434 --> 00:05:02,536 it was great. 98 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:06,173 Like, we had the best conversations, and it kind of 99 00:05:06,273 --> 00:05:08,608 felt like I had, like, a light 100 00:05:08,708 --> 00:05:11,678 in this continuous darkness. 101 00:05:11,778 --> 00:05:13,847 And at that time, he lived in New York. 102 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,316 I was in Baltimore. 103 00:05:16,416 --> 00:05:19,686 So we ended up hanging out three weeks after 104 00:05:19,786 --> 00:05:21,421 we started talking. 105 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:23,056 It was a great time. 106 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:27,127 After that, it started to be like an every week thing. 107 00:05:27,227 --> 00:05:29,729 He would come down from New York, take the train, 108 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:31,731 and come see me, like, multiple times a week. 109 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:34,734 I really did enjoy his company. 110 00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:40,307 [Elizabeth] You've gone through a divorce at this point. 111 00:05:40,407 --> 00:05:42,943 Your boyfriend is murdered, and now you finally have 112 00:05:43,043 --> 00:05:44,611 something that feels good. 113 00:05:44,711 --> 00:05:49,449 I was very vulnerable, and he seemed to be 114 00:05:49,549 --> 00:05:52,252 very loving, kind. 115 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,321 He was too kind, though. 116 00:05:54,421 --> 00:05:57,057 -What do you mean by that? -If I was to mention something, 117 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:59,392 he would do it for me or get it for me. 118 00:05:59,492 --> 00:06:03,263 He definitely told me that he loved me very early on, 119 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:06,967 and it was a lot of pressure to say it back, 120 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,236 but I did end up saying it back. 121 00:06:09,336 --> 00:06:12,839 I started receiving messages from accounts on Instagram. 122 00:06:12,939 --> 00:06:16,476 "Oh, is that your boyfriend? Oh, he looks so strong. 123 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:19,813 Oh, I'm pretty sure he's so good in bed." 124 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:24,017 For these random women to be like, "Oh, my God" -- 125 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:27,654 fawning over him was, like, weird. 126 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,825 [Elizabeth] What are the other ways he love-bombed you? 127 00:06:31,925 --> 00:06:33,393 [Aziza] He bought me a new bed. 128 00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:35,495 I think it was a control thing, because it's like, 129 00:06:35,595 --> 00:06:38,431 "I just got this bed, like, a couple months ago." 130 00:06:38,531 --> 00:06:39,966 And he's like, "Well, you need a new one." 131 00:06:42,034 --> 00:06:43,470 He would just keep buying me stuff. 132 00:06:44,804 --> 00:06:46,673 I was living with my mom at the time 133 00:06:46,773 --> 00:06:49,242 and my kids live with me. 134 00:06:49,342 --> 00:06:53,179 He would buy my kids clothes, but they didn't really 135 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,382 understand who he was. 136 00:06:56,483 --> 00:06:58,852 We never really argued. 137 00:06:58,952 --> 00:07:03,423 We never really, like, disagreed, but I just felt like, 138 00:07:03,523 --> 00:07:06,026 this feeling in my stomach of like, this is just... 139 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:08,194 this is a lot. 140 00:07:08,295 --> 00:07:11,364 But then you start to gaslight yourself. 141 00:07:11,464 --> 00:07:16,169 Maybe I'm just not used to somebody treating me this good. 142 00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:20,040 [Sandra] I believe the first time I met Seti, he was at 143 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,574 my house, actually. 144 00:07:21,675 --> 00:07:24,277 He was somewhat reserved. 145 00:07:24,377 --> 00:07:28,915 I recall attempting to kind of find out where he was from, 146 00:07:29,015 --> 00:07:31,318 and I was met with some resistance, 147 00:07:31,418 --> 00:07:32,686 and I thought that was strange. 148 00:07:35,555 --> 00:07:38,558 [Aziza] He told me he works production on set 149 00:07:38,658 --> 00:07:41,628 with different networks, 150 00:07:41,728 --> 00:07:45,131 that his mom was a therapist, and that his sister works 151 00:07:45,231 --> 00:07:46,566 for the Pentagon. 152 00:07:47,767 --> 00:07:52,806 Also, he told me that he had a brain tumor. 153 00:07:52,906 --> 00:07:55,675 Like, he had to have brain surgery for it, right? 154 00:07:55,775 --> 00:07:57,510 I don't know how true that is. 155 00:07:57,610 --> 00:08:01,381 I realized after, you know, the four months of us 156 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:02,649 dating that I was like, 157 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:04,317 "I don't know this person at all." 158 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:09,723 [Sandra] I just knew that something wasn't right. 159 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:10,790 Couldn't put my finger on it, 160 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:13,293 but I just knew something was not right. 161 00:08:15,628 --> 00:08:18,531 [Aziza] I remember one day, I got sick. 162 00:08:18,631 --> 00:08:20,166 He came down from New York and was like, 163 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:21,534 "I'm gonna take care of you." 164 00:08:21,634 --> 00:08:24,337 And I ended up going to the doctor's. 165 00:08:24,437 --> 00:08:26,539 I'm like, "Stay at my house. I'll be right back." 166 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,142 I got home and he was agitated. 167 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:33,679 He started to mention certain things that he would only know 168 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:35,615 if he went through my iPad. 169 00:08:35,715 --> 00:08:37,884 Like that's a boundary for me, right? 170 00:08:37,984 --> 00:08:39,419 But he was like, "Oh, I want to go home." 171 00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:41,654 I didn't know what was going on. 172 00:08:41,755 --> 00:08:43,756 I was like, "I'm gonna take you to the train station now." 173 00:08:44,991 --> 00:08:47,894 So in the car, he started asking me 174 00:08:47,994 --> 00:08:49,529 specific questions. 175 00:08:49,629 --> 00:08:53,199 And, like, the wording that he used was text messages 176 00:08:53,299 --> 00:08:55,568 between me and my friend. 177 00:08:55,668 --> 00:08:58,438 And it was just so specific that I was just like, 178 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,907 "Hmm, did you go through my iPad?" 179 00:09:01,007 --> 00:09:03,443 He's like, "No, I didn't go through your iPad." 180 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:05,578 He denied it, denied it. 181 00:09:05,678 --> 00:09:08,014 Finally, he admitted it. 182 00:09:08,114 --> 00:09:10,550 And the moment that I found out, I told him that, 183 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:13,186 you know, I think that we need to take some space. 184 00:09:16,423 --> 00:09:18,558 The crazy part about it is that 185 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:20,727 I probably would have stayed with him. 186 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:23,830 I just -- I needed him to know that that's like a red flag. 187 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:25,832 But I couldn't even have a conversation 188 00:09:25,932 --> 00:09:27,634 with the way that he reacted. 189 00:09:28,968 --> 00:09:30,537 So we get to the train station. 190 00:09:30,637 --> 00:09:33,139 He refuses to get out of my car for two hours. 191 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:36,709 He was trying to convince me to stay with him. 192 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:39,746 He was saying that he had a brain tumor, saying that 193 00:09:39,846 --> 00:09:44,150 I was not being supportive, and his birthday was coming up. 194 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:47,087 I was just, like, begging him, "Just please get out of my car." 195 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:49,189 He was, like, punching my dashboard 196 00:09:49,289 --> 00:09:52,459 and...calling me names 197 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,161 and throwing stuff out of my car. 198 00:09:57,497 --> 00:10:00,100 He was making a scene. I didn't know what to do. 199 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,336 I'm like, "Just please, please -- like, I'm sick. 200 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,672 I want to go home and go to sleep." 201 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:08,041 So, Seti finally got out of my car. 202 00:10:11,845 --> 00:10:14,447 Went home, I stopped to get my medication first. 203 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:18,618 And when I got back... 204 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:22,122 Seti was outside of my house. 205 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:30,497 When I saw him standing on my property when I got back from 206 00:10:30,597 --> 00:10:34,267 the train station, I thought, this man is unhinged. 207 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:37,203 I was like, "This man cannot be serious, right?" 208 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:40,206 He was walking around my house. 209 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:42,342 I, like, run inside, 210 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:44,244 and he's knocking on every window. 211 00:10:44,344 --> 00:10:46,112 He's like, "I left my wallet here." 212 00:10:46,212 --> 00:10:48,281 I was like, "You did not leave your wallet here." 213 00:10:48,381 --> 00:10:50,683 That's when I started recording. 214 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:54,487 [glass breaking] 215 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:57,557 [Seti and Aziza speaking] 216 00:10:58,725 --> 00:11:02,529 He ended up breaking my window, 217 00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:05,398 reaching into the door, 218 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:08,067 and breaking into my house. 219 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:10,003 [Aziza and Seti speaking] 220 00:11:21,781 --> 00:11:24,050 -That's not an accident. -Mm-mm. 221 00:11:25,451 --> 00:11:27,654 [Seti and Aziza speaking] 222 00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:31,457 I was afraid to call the police. 223 00:11:31,558 --> 00:11:33,593 For a Black man, calling the police can put 224 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:34,694 his life in danger. 225 00:11:36,129 --> 00:11:38,298 [Seti and Aziza speaking] 226 00:11:47,607 --> 00:11:48,875 [Aziza] I had to chase after him. 227 00:11:50,677 --> 00:11:52,779 And I was like, oh, you can't have my house keys. 228 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:53,813 My kids live here. 229 00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:56,883 I didn't know if he was gonna make a copy. 230 00:11:56,983 --> 00:12:00,653 So I chased him, and he threw the keys. 231 00:12:00,753 --> 00:12:03,756 And I was just like, "Who is this person?" 232 00:12:03,856 --> 00:12:06,059 [Seti and Aziza speaking] 233 00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,164 [Aziza] He finally leaves my house. 234 00:12:11,264 --> 00:12:13,399 This is when I started getting scared. 235 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:20,039 [Elizabeth] Immediately, Aziza starts getting DMs from random 236 00:12:20,139 --> 00:12:23,042 accounts calling her a terrible person for breaking up with 237 00:12:23,142 --> 00:12:24,944 her boyfriend who has a tumor. 238 00:12:25,044 --> 00:12:28,014 The exact same accounts that were talking up Seti 239 00:12:28,114 --> 00:12:29,382 when they first started dating. 240 00:12:32,885 --> 00:12:34,020 [Aziza] I had to piece it together. 241 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,122 I was like, wait a minute. These are him. 242 00:12:37,423 --> 00:12:40,360 And that's when I was like, oh, my God, like, 243 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:43,730 this person is crazy. 244 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:45,632 I was like, who does that? 245 00:12:46,665 --> 00:12:49,002 [Seti] Z, I'm literally about to have chemotherapy and radiation. 246 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:50,370 Like, don't do this. 247 00:12:52,138 --> 00:12:55,775 The threats started out as very vague. 248 00:12:55,875 --> 00:12:57,110 Like, "You'll be sorry." 249 00:12:57,977 --> 00:13:00,947 "It's a shame what's about to happen to you." 250 00:13:01,047 --> 00:13:02,682 [Seti speaking] 251 00:13:05,018 --> 00:13:07,787 Telling me, "Well, the last person that did this 252 00:13:07,887 --> 00:13:09,255 to me is no longer here." 253 00:13:09,355 --> 00:13:12,392 [Seti speaking] 254 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:19,265 I started getting calls from, like, different numbers. 255 00:13:19,365 --> 00:13:22,502 They would be him. So I would block those numbers. 256 00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:24,904 I would get another call and another call 257 00:13:25,004 --> 00:13:27,507 and another call. I would block those numbers. 258 00:13:28,708 --> 00:13:31,411 My mom would call me. It would be Seti. 259 00:13:31,511 --> 00:13:34,847 My sister would call me. It would be Seti every time. 260 00:13:34,947 --> 00:13:37,317 What I realized is that when he went through my iPads, 261 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:43,356 he got all of my passwords, all of my contact information. 262 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,460 [Elizabeth] Aziza received a thousand calls 263 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:51,130 within the first 24 hours, which seems nearly impossible. 264 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:54,200 But also, disguising the caller ID to make it look like 265 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,703 the calls were coming from family members takes this 266 00:13:56,803 --> 00:13:59,038 harassment to the next level. 267 00:13:59,138 --> 00:14:01,441 There is no digital footprint of him online, and I could 268 00:14:01,541 --> 00:14:05,845 literally find two photos, which seems mysterious 269 00:14:05,945 --> 00:14:09,282 and, worst case scenario, deceptive. 270 00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:11,351 Maybe he's using sophisticated tech. 271 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:13,119 Maybe he has an accomplice. 272 00:14:13,219 --> 00:14:16,589 But to better understand how he's operating, I got in touch 273 00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:19,125 with my good friend, Harry Lidsky. 274 00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:21,327 Harry's my go-to guy for this kind of thing 275 00:14:21,427 --> 00:14:23,996 and has a lot of experience. 276 00:14:26,232 --> 00:14:29,869 Aziza shared that she was receiving over a thousand calls 277 00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:31,537 in a 24-hour time span. 278 00:14:31,637 --> 00:14:34,006 And she also said that many times he would call 279 00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:35,808 and caller ID would say Mom. 280 00:14:35,908 --> 00:14:37,243 [Harry] There are spoofing apps -- 281 00:14:37,343 --> 00:14:38,845 they're out there with the caveat that it's a joke, 282 00:14:38,945 --> 00:14:40,680 it's a way to prank your friends, and they can. 283 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:43,349 They can take any number in your call list and put 284 00:14:43,449 --> 00:14:45,518 an outbound call or a text to make it appear as though 285 00:14:45,618 --> 00:14:46,853 it's coming from that number. 286 00:14:46,953 --> 00:14:49,489 That just goes to show when he went into her iPad, 287 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:52,290 he took screenshots of a lot of her Instagram messages 288 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:55,061 and contacts from important people in her life, so he was 289 00:14:55,161 --> 00:14:57,196 able to specifically put their numbers in. 290 00:14:57,296 --> 00:14:58,731 Correct. 291 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,200 I would love to find out what he's going by 292 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:02,769 and what he's doing. 293 00:15:02,869 --> 00:15:05,204 He was in New York the whole time they were dating, 294 00:15:05,304 --> 00:15:08,074 and she seems to think he's still in New York. 295 00:15:08,174 --> 00:15:10,276 First and foremost, 296 00:15:10,376 --> 00:15:13,746 what she believes to have been accurate 297 00:15:13,846 --> 00:15:16,015 may not be accurate. Right? 298 00:15:16,115 --> 00:15:17,583 -I mean, I think she -- -So we have to assume 299 00:15:17,683 --> 00:15:20,386 he misled her on just about everything. 300 00:15:20,486 --> 00:15:22,355 I think that's a very valid point. 301 00:15:22,455 --> 00:15:24,123 [Harry] All right. Let's see what we can find out. 302 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:27,894 [phone ringing] 303 00:15:27,994 --> 00:15:30,062 [Aziza] So I called the police. 304 00:15:30,163 --> 00:15:31,631 They didn't take it seriously at first. 305 00:15:33,165 --> 00:15:34,133 They even answered the phone 306 00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:36,369 and was like, "Listen, hey, cut it out." 307 00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:37,870 He was just like, "No, I'm not." 308 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:40,373 It was really weird, but then they went, 309 00:15:40,473 --> 00:15:41,474 and they had to search up, 310 00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:44,710 because Seti does have different aliases 311 00:15:44,811 --> 00:15:46,779 and different names he goes by. 312 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:49,715 They had to, like, find him in the system. 313 00:15:49,816 --> 00:15:51,451 And when they finally found him, 314 00:15:52,418 --> 00:15:54,987 they were like, "You should take this very seriously. 315 00:15:55,087 --> 00:15:58,790 "Like, he has multiple restraining orders against him 316 00:15:58,891 --> 00:16:01,994 "in different states, and in the state of Georgia 317 00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:04,330 for making terrorist threats against his ex." 318 00:16:09,869 --> 00:16:13,005 -How did he first reach out? -[Lyn] Social media. 319 00:16:13,105 --> 00:16:16,008 Simple conversation, asking me how I'm doing, saying hi, 320 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:17,710 that he wanted to get to know me better. 321 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:18,811 [phone chirps] 322 00:16:19,846 --> 00:16:22,048 We exchanged contact information, 323 00:16:22,148 --> 00:16:26,586 talking on the phone, texting, and he was just so 324 00:16:26,686 --> 00:16:28,554 engaging and understanding. 325 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:31,424 -[phone chirps] -So I was interested. 326 00:16:31,524 --> 00:16:34,227 That's when I decided to give Seti a chance. 327 00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,630 How long did you guys talk before he came to visit? 328 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:40,165 Probably about... it was a couple of months. 329 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:46,472 He actually came to visit me in Georgia 330 00:16:46,572 --> 00:16:48,641 and stayed with me for the weekend. 331 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:52,111 It was weird. 332 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,583 I had just moved into that apartment, so I really didn't 333 00:16:57,683 --> 00:16:59,385 have everything that I needed. 334 00:16:59,485 --> 00:17:03,155 I did have my box spring and my bed on the floor, 335 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:06,759 so he did buy me a frame for my bed. 336 00:17:06,858 --> 00:17:08,361 And spent the weekend with me. 337 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:09,795 My brother was there. 338 00:17:10,896 --> 00:17:12,265 [car engine starts] 339 00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:16,636 I remember us being in the car, and I just hear him laughing. 340 00:17:17,936 --> 00:17:19,939 And I look over, and he's... 341 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:21,440 [chuckles] 342 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:24,175 I'm like, OK. 343 00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:25,778 I'm like, "What are you laughing at?" 344 00:17:25,877 --> 00:17:27,113 "Oh, nothing. 345 00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,882 I'm just thinking about something my homeboy said." 346 00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:34,220 And he, like, that was just the end of it. 347 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,391 The energy and what he was giving off made me feel 348 00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:40,860 some kind of way -- it made me uncomfortable. 349 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,162 I started to get that gut feeling like something was 350 00:17:43,262 --> 00:17:44,864 completely off with this person. 351 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,568 [Elizabeth] After Seti returns to New York, 352 00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:50,403 the relationship starts to cool. 353 00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:53,306 And that's when he tells Lyn he has a brain tumor. 354 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:57,343 I was just like, wow, like, the day that he told me, 355 00:17:57,443 --> 00:17:59,278 I was just gonna cut it completely off. 356 00:17:59,378 --> 00:18:01,113 But he ended up telling me that, 357 00:18:01,213 --> 00:18:04,250 so now I'm just -- how do you tell someone 358 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:06,519 you don't want to deal with them anymore and they just got 359 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:08,788 diagnosed with a brain tumor? 360 00:18:08,888 --> 00:18:12,024 Within that same week, I did tell him, you know, 361 00:18:12,124 --> 00:18:14,093 I can't handle this. 362 00:18:15,294 --> 00:18:16,762 Soon as I said that... 363 00:18:17,997 --> 00:18:20,099 to me, something just clicked in his mind, 364 00:18:20,199 --> 00:18:22,568 and he just went full throttle. 365 00:18:22,668 --> 00:18:23,970 [phone buzzing] 366 00:18:25,171 --> 00:18:27,607 I remember waking up one morning, 367 00:18:27,707 --> 00:18:33,713 and I had 999 missed phone calls. 368 00:18:34,981 --> 00:18:36,983 And when I woke up, he was calling me again, 369 00:18:37,083 --> 00:18:39,585 so it was 1,000 calls from him. 370 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:44,590 In my mind, it's done -- it is, you know, it's completely done. 371 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:47,193 I'm moving on. But to Seti, it's not. 372 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:49,629 It's not done. 373 00:18:53,065 --> 00:18:54,033 [Aziza] I went from... 374 00:18:55,701 --> 00:18:56,736 having like... 375 00:18:57,737 --> 00:19:03,342 partner to having a complete like, demon in my life. 376 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:07,647 What did I put myself in? 377 00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,516 And so I ended up telling my mom, like, "Listen, 378 00:19:10,616 --> 00:19:12,318 "this is kind of dangerous. 379 00:19:12,418 --> 00:19:15,988 "They're having some sort of mental breakdown. 380 00:19:16,088 --> 00:19:17,423 This is really weird." 381 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:21,494 [Elizabeth] His harassment increases. 382 00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:23,062 He starts calling and threatening 383 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:26,499 her mother, her co-workers, even her ex-husband. 384 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,569 Everybody was texting me, like, "Aziza, are you OK? 385 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:32,772 Like, somebody's texting me looking for you." 386 00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:36,208 The threats escalated. 387 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:41,380 "I'm gonna rearrange your face." 388 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,250 "I'm throwing acid on you next time I see you." 389 00:19:45,317 --> 00:19:47,319 "I'm gonna slit your throat in front of your children. 390 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:49,288 They're going to have to walk over your dead body." 391 00:19:51,123 --> 00:19:54,694 We went from hotel to hotel, me and my kids. 392 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:57,329 I felt like I was fleeing. 393 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,932 But he started writing on my social media pages, 394 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,968 and he started writing on my job social media account. 395 00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:09,308 [Elizabeth] Seti writes warnings on her Instagram and even creates 396 00:20:09,408 --> 00:20:11,143 fake accounts pretending to be Aziza. 397 00:20:11,243 --> 00:20:12,611 He sends pictures of guns 398 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:14,814 to her co-workers and also promises to commit 399 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,650 a mass shooting at her job site. 400 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:22,388 And so my manager had put me on leave to keep me safe. 401 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,224 They called me. 402 00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:27,359 "He's outside walking around the building." 403 00:20:28,861 --> 00:20:31,197 And then the day I come back, they fired me. 404 00:20:32,164 --> 00:20:36,035 My job told me I was too much of a liability to be there. 405 00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:38,604 And that's when I realized, like, I'm not gonna be able 406 00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:40,773 to take my kids back to my mom's house. 407 00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:43,242 [phone buzzing] 408 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:48,214 Later in the day, my sister called me, 409 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:51,217 and she's crying. 410 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,554 She told me that Seti called from my mom's 411 00:20:55,654 --> 00:20:59,024 phone number and said that -- 412 00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:00,559 that he killed my mom. 413 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,568 [Aziza] He called my sister from my mother's number 414 00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,037 and told my sister that my mother was dead, 415 00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:14,373 that he had her phone. She's crying. 416 00:21:14,473 --> 00:21:16,408 I start crying because I'm like, 417 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:17,543 "Well, how do you know she's dead?" 418 00:21:17,643 --> 00:21:20,379 She's like, "Well, she's not answering the phone." 419 00:21:21,547 --> 00:21:23,282 And so we called the police. 420 00:21:23,382 --> 00:21:26,318 My sister rushed over to the house. 421 00:21:26,418 --> 00:21:27,787 I rushed over there, too. 422 00:21:29,054 --> 00:21:30,422 And I was, like, freaking out. 423 00:21:31,657 --> 00:21:34,293 And then my mom called. 424 00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:38,831 I was so relieved! I was so relieved. 425 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:40,266 I was like, thank God. 426 00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:44,303 [Elizabeth] Turns out that Sandra was at work and hadn't received any of 427 00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:47,306 their calls, but the terror had been inflicted. 428 00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:53,112 Can you imagine somebody calling your child, saying that, 429 00:21:53,212 --> 00:21:55,548 "Your mother's dead, I killed your mother." 430 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:58,751 And then she couldn't get to me or call me? 431 00:21:58,851 --> 00:22:01,554 They think that I'm in the house dead. 432 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,556 And for an hour, your daughter thought you were dead. 433 00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:05,858 -Mm-hmm. -[Elizabeth] That is evil. 434 00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:06,959 It -- it is. It is. 435 00:22:08,093 --> 00:22:11,831 I was terrified. Like, I mourned my mom. 436 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:13,999 It was really rough for me, you know? 437 00:22:17,636 --> 00:22:21,674 [Elizabeth] In an eerily similar situation to Aziza, Lyn begins receiving 438 00:22:21,774 --> 00:22:26,145 constant calls and messages from Seti at home, at work. 439 00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:33,652 [Lyn and Seti speaking] 440 00:22:35,588 --> 00:22:38,090 [Elizabeth] From numbers she doesn't recognize, from numbers 441 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:39,225 she does recognize. 442 00:22:39,325 --> 00:22:41,293 And now he's even involving her family. 443 00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:45,998 He told me, "Lyn, this is a dangerous game 444 00:22:46,098 --> 00:22:48,033 you're playing. People get hurt over this." 445 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,870 Or, "People get killed over things like this." 446 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:54,573 It didn't matter what it was, every aspect of my life was 447 00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:57,643 open for him to play with. And he felt he had a right to. 448 00:23:00,946 --> 00:23:04,049 So when they met, he had a criminal past? 449 00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:06,051 -Yes. -He already had a record. 450 00:23:06,151 --> 00:23:08,287 [Harry] It's somebody who's certainly 451 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,422 had exposure with the criminal justice system. 452 00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:13,125 Looking at this history and hearing some of these 453 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:16,328 tactics that he's employed, they could easily be directed 454 00:23:16,428 --> 00:23:20,532 at a fraud as much as they could into stalking. 455 00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:23,068 It's just a very fine line. The tools are the same. 456 00:23:23,168 --> 00:23:24,303 The tactics are the same. 457 00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,674 [Elizabeth] Started at 20 years old. That's really interesting. 458 00:23:28,774 --> 00:23:30,376 -Yeah. -This is a career criminal. 459 00:23:31,176 --> 00:23:34,246 [Harry] This Social Security number is issued in North Carolina, 460 00:23:34,346 --> 00:23:36,415 so here's something. It's dated -- 461 00:23:36,515 --> 00:23:39,551 it's from 2011. Fayetteville PD. 462 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:42,688 Conspiracy to obtain property by false pretenses. 463 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:47,159 So it's fraud. Fancy way of saying fraud. 464 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:50,529 -Destiny Wilkerson. -[Elizabeth] Destiny? 465 00:23:50,629 --> 00:23:52,765 Destiny. Black female. 466 00:23:54,366 --> 00:23:57,603 So I'm guessing just by the date and the commonality of 467 00:23:57,703 --> 00:24:00,372 the name, this was probably, you know, 468 00:24:00,472 --> 00:24:02,574 his life before he transitioned. 469 00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:08,113 [Aziza] I don't really talk about that that much 470 00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:10,382 because I don't want to harm the community 471 00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:11,917 as a whole. 472 00:24:12,017 --> 00:24:14,353 And I think that when I would talk about him being 473 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:18,791 a trans man, people would always blame it on that. 474 00:24:18,891 --> 00:24:22,361 And it's not that at all. He's literally just crazy. 475 00:24:24,496 --> 00:24:29,134 When he changed his name to Seti, that was his dad's name. 476 00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:30,436 So interesting. 477 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,642 [Lyn] It literally just kept escalating. 478 00:24:36,742 --> 00:24:38,444 Trying to break into my house. 479 00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:41,280 My complex moved me to a whole different building, 480 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,916 and he knew what building I was in, 481 00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,317 because he was watching me. 482 00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:46,418 He was following me. 483 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:50,456 [Seti speaking] 484 00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:54,326 I changed my number twice. 485 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,297 He was able to get it. I don't know how. 486 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:02,468 Now it's at a different level, because I had someone 487 00:25:02,568 --> 00:25:05,838 threatening my life to put me in a box. 488 00:25:05,938 --> 00:25:08,607 I call the cops and make sure it's on record. 489 00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:11,877 The officer that I spoke to was no help. 490 00:25:12,911 --> 00:25:14,380 He called Seti in front of me, 491 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,150 and he told Seti to stay away from me and leave me alone. 492 00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:21,920 I didn't know that's what police officers do. 493 00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:24,123 Like, I did not know that. 494 00:25:24,223 --> 00:25:26,859 I'm telling you, this man is threatening my life, 495 00:25:26,959 --> 00:25:29,461 and you're -- you called him. 496 00:25:32,698 --> 00:25:35,467 I was very confused, and I felt betrayed by the system 497 00:25:35,567 --> 00:25:37,136 that's supposed to be helping me. 498 00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:38,737 I didn't receive any kind of help. 499 00:25:38,837 --> 00:25:42,741 I went to that police station maybe four or five times. 500 00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:47,279 [Elizabeth] The police don't take it seriously, so Lyn goes to 501 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,181 court and files a restraining order. 502 00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:51,417 But they're unable to serve Seti. 503 00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:52,851 Time after time, they try, 504 00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:54,953 but they can never find him. 505 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,123 So the police tell Lyn there's nothing they can do. 506 00:25:58,223 --> 00:26:00,025 [Lyn] He never got served. 507 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,028 Until there's blood on my case, they can't do anything. 508 00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:08,300 [Elizabeth] How did that make you feel? 509 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,935 [Lyn] Like I wasn't even a human. 510 00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:11,737 Like, my life meant nothing. 511 00:26:11,837 --> 00:26:14,373 It's like the perpetrator has more rights than 512 00:26:14,473 --> 00:26:15,641 the actual victim. 513 00:26:15,741 --> 00:26:18,310 It got to a point where I was sending emails to 514 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:20,112 the detective daily. 515 00:26:20,212 --> 00:26:23,382 I was told to get a gun, which I did do. 516 00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:26,185 I was told I have the right to 517 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:28,921 defend myself and I could shoot to kill. 518 00:26:29,021 --> 00:26:31,924 And I was told to stop, to stop sending emails. 519 00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:35,027 -[Elizabeth] By whom? -By the police officer that told me to get a gun. 520 00:26:41,867 --> 00:26:44,503 -Hello. -[Elizabeth] Hi, Kris. How are you? 521 00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:47,139 Dr. Kris Mohandie, a forensic psychologist with 522 00:26:47,239 --> 00:26:50,008 over 30 years' experience on cases like O.J. Simpson 523 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,778 and Steven Spielberg's stalker, explained to me just 524 00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:55,814 how dangerous this phenomenon can actually be. 525 00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:59,351 I've conducted research study of stalking where we looked at 526 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:02,988 1,005 cases, and intimate stalking cases 527 00:27:03,088 --> 00:27:04,056 are the most dangerous. 528 00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:05,357 That's where we have the most murders. 529 00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:06,558 That's where we have the most assaults. 530 00:27:06,658 --> 00:27:10,195 There's an 83% violence rate 531 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,464 in our intimate stalking cases. 532 00:27:12,564 --> 00:27:16,068 But why is it so under-supported in law enforcement? 533 00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:19,338 I think that there's ignorance, a lot of ignorance. 534 00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:21,907 And I also think that there's biases. 535 00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:23,675 And they'd rather be doing other things, 536 00:27:23,775 --> 00:27:25,144 and it's labor-intensive. 537 00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:28,914 But if they really looked into it, this is one of the greatest 538 00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:32,351 opportunities they have to prevent extreme violence from 539 00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:34,887 occurring and to protect somebody proactively instead of 540 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,623 showing up afterwards, after the murder. 541 00:27:37,723 --> 00:27:42,427 We look at stalking as a homicide in slow-motion. 542 00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:50,202 [Aziza] He would target my family a lot. 543 00:27:50,302 --> 00:27:52,271 Seti went back to my mom's house, 544 00:27:52,371 --> 00:27:54,373 trying to break in again. 545 00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,408 And my mom said she yelled on the camera. 546 00:28:00,879 --> 00:28:04,983 I said to Seti, "Hello? You know I can see you." 547 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:08,086 And when he heard my voice, he took off. 548 00:28:10,322 --> 00:28:12,824 [Elizabeth] Aziza filed police reports after both incidents in which 549 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:14,660 Seti attempted to break into her mother's house. 550 00:28:17,429 --> 00:28:19,498 Warrants were issued in connection with each incident, 551 00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:21,500 but remained outstanding because authorities 552 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,101 were unable to locate Seti. 553 00:28:25,771 --> 00:28:27,706 He continued after me. 554 00:28:27,806 --> 00:28:31,977 He started to write the guy that I was dating 555 00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:34,746 that was murdered -- his family, saying that Aziza's the one 556 00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:36,348 that killed your son. 557 00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:39,651 He started posting my address online, you know, 558 00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:42,487 and, like, my mom's address. 559 00:28:42,588 --> 00:28:44,756 "You're getting your face blown off." 560 00:28:44,856 --> 00:28:47,259 "I'm outside your mother's job with a ski mask." 561 00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:51,730 It goes on and on. 562 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:54,700 I was in touch with the police off and on for months. 563 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,269 Even though the police told me that it was something 564 00:28:57,369 --> 00:29:00,872 that was serious, there was no follow-up from them. 565 00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:03,742 So once I realized that the police were not taking it 566 00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:06,745 seriously, I posted on Twitter, 567 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,383 "If I die, I want everybody to know that 568 00:29:11,483 --> 00:29:15,420 it was Seti." I was terrified. 569 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,790 And it went viral, and I started speaking out 570 00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:20,959 about my situation. 571 00:29:21,059 --> 00:29:23,729 A lot of his other victims reached out. 572 00:29:25,163 --> 00:29:28,533 Some of them were, like, past romantic relationships, 573 00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:30,836 and some of them, they would reach out to me 574 00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:33,138 and say, "Hey, you know, I actually only went on 575 00:29:33,238 --> 00:29:35,874 "one date with him, and I had to change my number 576 00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:38,644 because he wouldn't stop, you know, harassing me." 577 00:29:39,911 --> 00:29:41,780 So, while this was going on, 578 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:46,451 my stalker is still in my comments, 579 00:29:46,551 --> 00:29:47,986 going back and forth with people, 580 00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:53,592 threatening to kill me and my mom 581 00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:56,795 and then my children. 582 00:29:56,895 --> 00:29:59,831 He said, "Which child would you like to see die first?" 583 00:30:08,774 --> 00:30:11,710 So the first time he made a threat against my kids, 584 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,546 I felt so sick to my stomach. 585 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:16,648 I knew he was going far, 586 00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:19,618 but I didn't know he would go that far. 587 00:30:21,219 --> 00:30:22,854 I thought, you know, something was going to happen 588 00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:26,425 to my kids, and it was gonna be my fault. 589 00:30:27,526 --> 00:30:29,194 So I called the police. 590 00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:30,595 They would show up, and they would be like, 591 00:30:30,696 --> 00:30:31,697 "Why are we here?" 592 00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:34,032 They said, "We're not private security. 593 00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:36,401 You need private security for stuff like this." 594 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:38,070 And I was like, "Yo, you're public security, 595 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,772 though, right? What are we paying for, though?" 596 00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:43,709 He was like, "Oh, I'm busy. I got homicides. 597 00:30:43,809 --> 00:30:46,445 I have all of these things going on." 598 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:49,514 I asked him, I said, "Well, if you could prevent any one of 599 00:30:49,614 --> 00:30:51,817 "these homicides that you're dealing with, 600 00:30:51,917 --> 00:30:53,251 would you have prevented it?" 601 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:56,388 And he was like, "I mean, yeah." 602 00:30:56,488 --> 00:30:57,756 I was like, "Well, you have an opportunity 603 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,324 to prevent one right now." 604 00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:07,065 I think that stalking is still not really something that 605 00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:09,935 people take seriously. 606 00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:12,270 You know, people kind of joke about it, like, 607 00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:13,905 "What are you doing to these boys?" 608 00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,743 It's -- I didn't do anything to make him want to kill me 609 00:31:17,843 --> 00:31:18,844 and my children. 610 00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:24,082 He kind of broke me. He broke me. 611 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,687 [Elizabeth] Your entire existence is in danger. 612 00:31:28,787 --> 00:31:30,655 You're sleeping with a gun under your pillow. 613 00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:31,857 Yeah. 614 00:31:31,957 --> 00:31:34,426 Paranoid to the point where I'm just carrying it 615 00:31:34,526 --> 00:31:37,429 on my person, because everybody is suspicious. 616 00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:39,431 I feel like I have I had no control over my life. 617 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,068 [Aziza] It was my son's birthday. 618 00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:46,772 He said, "The next gift to give your son for his birthday 619 00:31:46,872 --> 00:31:48,473 is to not wake up." 620 00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:55,113 This is basically when Aziza hit rock bottom. 621 00:31:55,213 --> 00:31:59,418 I felt like it would be a lot easier on my family 622 00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:01,086 if I wasn't here. 623 00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:04,823 I felt like I had to die in order to 624 00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:05,991 keep my family safe. 625 00:32:08,527 --> 00:32:13,098 I mean, the only thing that I could do was to encourage her, 626 00:32:13,198 --> 00:32:16,034 constantly telling her that it's not worth it. 627 00:32:16,134 --> 00:32:18,069 You're a mother of two, and they need you. 628 00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:25,177 Back then, I would sporadically still get 629 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:29,047 threatening messages and phone calls from Seti. 630 00:32:29,147 --> 00:32:31,116 And then it abruptly stopped. 631 00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:38,256 I went onto his Twitter, and I seen he moved on to 632 00:32:38,356 --> 00:32:42,661 somebody else, and I'm like, oh, my God. 633 00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:47,199 He posted her name, Aziza, found her Instagram, 634 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,901 and I'm just, like, she looks like me, 635 00:32:50,001 --> 00:32:52,471 and she's beautiful, and she has kids. 636 00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:54,506 She has two little boys. 637 00:32:54,606 --> 00:32:58,143 After a couple of weeks, I ended up contacting her, 638 00:32:58,243 --> 00:33:01,379 and she was already going through it. 639 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,415 So we would text all the time. 640 00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:06,685 It was a relief for me because she understood. 641 00:33:09,588 --> 00:33:12,390 I'm very curious as to what the motive is with stalking. 642 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,759 It's very much about power and control. 643 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:20,065 A stalker like this is enjoying the power that he gets over 644 00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:22,634 inflicting fear and intimidation. 645 00:33:22,734 --> 00:33:24,202 It becomes almost addictive. 646 00:33:24,302 --> 00:33:25,770 Much of what these people do is about power, 647 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:27,405 control, and domination. 648 00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:33,078 And so when they are inflicting this distress to obtain 649 00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:36,081 their revenge, there is a sadistic enjoyment 650 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:37,315 that many of them get. 651 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:41,453 [Aziza] If I had to sacrifice myself, I would have done it. 652 00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:45,056 But the fact that my kids were being targeted, I always say 653 00:33:45,156 --> 00:33:48,593 that, like, including my family was his biggest mistake. 654 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:54,266 I'm not gonna, you know, allow him to win. 655 00:33:56,301 --> 00:33:59,104 So I went from being really sad 656 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:02,941 and really confused and really depressed 657 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:06,278 to really getting fired up. 658 00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:10,248 A few weeks later, I got all my followers to tag 659 00:34:10,348 --> 00:34:14,418 every police department that fell through with my case, 660 00:34:14,518 --> 00:34:15,687 which there were three of them. 661 00:34:18,422 --> 00:34:22,661 People don't know that there's jurisdiction issues when it 662 00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:24,728 comes down to police officers. 663 00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:27,866 Like, you can go five minutes down the road if you're in 664 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:30,902 a different county or a different jurisdiction. 665 00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:36,141 They don't extradite for what they consider 666 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:37,409 "nonviolent crimes." 667 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,279 [Elizabeth] Just like Lyn, Aziza's attempts to get 668 00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:42,847 a restraining order fall through 669 00:34:42,947 --> 00:34:44,949 due to jurisdictional issues and an inability 670 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:47,284 to locate Seti and serve him. 671 00:34:47,385 --> 00:34:50,255 This is daunting, but Aziza's not giving up. 672 00:34:50,355 --> 00:34:53,257 He had multiple victims in different states, 673 00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:56,393 and so I actually called the FBI, right? 674 00:34:56,494 --> 00:34:58,330 And I didn't think I would get a response. 675 00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:01,266 They called me, like, the next day. 676 00:35:04,135 --> 00:35:05,704 And I was like, wow, like, 677 00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,106 because I'm -- I was so used to the police 678 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:10,675 not responding to me at all. 679 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:12,811 They took it seriously from day one. 680 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:15,847 They were like, "We're gonna come out to your house 681 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:18,984 and we're gonna monitor your accounts." 682 00:35:19,084 --> 00:35:20,852 And after they came and gathered evidence, 683 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,520 it wasn't long before Seti reached out again. 684 00:35:24,556 --> 00:35:26,825 [Aziza] I remember I was in my house. 685 00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:29,694 It was around Christmas time. 686 00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:32,197 My FBI agent called. 687 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:35,734 They had been watching my social media. 688 00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:39,004 He said, "He's threatening to shoot you. 689 00:35:39,104 --> 00:35:43,241 "We have to intervene and make sure that he doesn't 690 00:35:43,341 --> 00:35:44,342 come kill you." 691 00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:52,751 [Aziza] The FBI figured out where he was in New York. 692 00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:57,722 They went to his house while he was there, busted in 693 00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:01,092 his door, and then they went and got him. 694 00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:06,464 I just remember breaking down and crying 695 00:36:06,564 --> 00:36:08,900 and crying and crying. 696 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,037 He was only charged with the things he did to her, 697 00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:14,039 nothing in reference to me, you know? 698 00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:15,240 And that's fine. 699 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:17,509 It's the fact that he's away. It's done. 700 00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:21,746 Seti is finally in custody for his crimes. 701 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,415 And one month later, he goes to trial. 702 00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:27,552 How did it feel to see him in court? 703 00:36:27,652 --> 00:36:30,522 It felt... weird. 704 00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:34,259 I associated him with everything bad in the world. 705 00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:38,163 I looked him in his eyes and I said, "I'm still here." 706 00:36:38,263 --> 00:36:40,965 I'm -- I'm here. 707 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,602 Across multiple trials and jurisdictions, Seti is 708 00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:47,439 found guilty and sentenced to three years in prison for 709 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:50,241 burglary and telephone misuse. 710 00:36:50,341 --> 00:36:52,444 Aziza and Lyn can finally breathe 711 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,479 just a little bit easier. 712 00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:57,549 When he was in jail, what kind of freedom and safety 713 00:36:57,649 --> 00:36:59,517 did you feel? -I had relief. 714 00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:01,920 I didn't have to look over my shoulder anymore. 715 00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,756 I didn't have to carry my gun with me anymore. 716 00:37:04,856 --> 00:37:06,624 I was finally able to sleep. 717 00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:11,930 And then I come home one day, 718 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:17,702 and there's a piece of paper face down in front of the door. 719 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:22,373 I pick it up, and my name is on it. 720 00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:25,076 Somebody wrote my name on a piece of paper. 721 00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:27,412 I told my friend about it, and I asked her to run 722 00:37:27,512 --> 00:37:32,951 the Ring camera back, and she said the person was tall with 723 00:37:33,051 --> 00:37:34,252 a muscular build. 724 00:37:34,352 --> 00:37:36,588 They had on a black hoodie that was covering their face. 725 00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:39,290 They had seen the camera, so they put it down and, 726 00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:41,726 you know, left the note and ran off. 727 00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:48,032 I get a call from Aziza probably a couple days later 728 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:49,768 telling me that he was released from prison. 729 00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:56,407 [Elizabeth] Two and a half years of Seti's sentence was suspended, 730 00:37:56,508 --> 00:37:59,410 and he served just six months in jail before being released 731 00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:00,512 on probation. 732 00:38:02,046 --> 00:38:03,815 [Aziza] I was never notified. 733 00:38:03,915 --> 00:38:07,919 I wasn't given any instructions about what I'm supposed to do 734 00:38:08,019 --> 00:38:11,322 to be safe, or -- I didn't get any help at all. 735 00:38:11,422 --> 00:38:13,224 They just failed you from the very beginning. 736 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,262 [Lyn] I was terrified all over again. 737 00:38:17,362 --> 00:38:19,697 I felt like a little kid just lost. 738 00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:26,805 When you have a stalker out there, you are never free. 739 00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:28,206 Never free. 740 00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:33,111 [Elizabeth] In the midst of filming this episode, Aziza had me listen to 741 00:38:33,211 --> 00:38:36,014 a voicemail that she had just received from a woman who had 742 00:38:36,114 --> 00:38:38,183 just ended a relationship with Seti. 743 00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:40,485 [woman] He flipped. 744 00:38:40,585 --> 00:38:44,255 Contacted friends, contacting family. 745 00:38:44,355 --> 00:38:45,356 Oh, my God. 746 00:38:48,259 --> 00:38:49,994 Girl, somebody just came up to my door and I thought that 747 00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:52,463 was him -- it was somebody who dropped off a package. 748 00:38:53,398 --> 00:38:55,500 I immediately reached out to this woman named Ashley 749 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,569 and a familiar story begins. 750 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,538 Seti, who now goes by Sebastian, started using 751 00:39:00,638 --> 00:39:01,673 the same tactics. 752 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:06,044 Turn over my phone to actively see... 753 00:39:06,144 --> 00:39:07,579 70 missed calls. 754 00:39:08,713 --> 00:39:09,948 He involves friends and family. 755 00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:12,717 My mother said that somebody was banging on the door 756 00:39:12,817 --> 00:39:13,785 at 3 AM in the morning. 757 00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:15,787 This is crazy. 758 00:39:15,887 --> 00:39:18,857 But just like Aziza, Ashley was proactive 759 00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:20,725 and started researching him online. 760 00:39:20,825 --> 00:39:22,727 I was like, stalk the stalker. 761 00:39:22,827 --> 00:39:26,731 And then immediately, Aziza's page came up. 762 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:30,268 In that moment, everything in my body just lifted. 763 00:39:31,336 --> 00:39:35,006 Aziza putting her stuff out here literally saved my life. 764 00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:38,543 It made me feel like, OK, I'm not alone, and it's not me. 765 00:39:40,144 --> 00:39:41,646 Since his release, Seti has shaved his dreadlocks 766 00:39:41,746 --> 00:39:43,248 and changed his name. 767 00:39:43,348 --> 00:39:45,617 We know he's at least going by Sebastian, but based on 768 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:48,086 his past, that could be one of many aliases. 769 00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:54,225 [Aziza] I had a dream that I was in a cage 770 00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:56,127 with a bunch of other women, 771 00:39:57,795 --> 00:40:00,198 and they kept looking at me, and they were like, 772 00:40:00,298 --> 00:40:01,866 "Aziza, like, help us!" 773 00:40:03,801 --> 00:40:06,704 I didn't know the significance of the dream before. 774 00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:11,276 And now, finally, being on the other side of it... 775 00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:14,312 -Aziza! -Hi! 776 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,481 Hi! 777 00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:19,651 ...I can reach back and support other people going through 778 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,619 the same thing I went through. 779 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,621 [Lyn] I'm still scared every day, you know? 780 00:40:24,856 --> 00:40:26,190 It felt like it was my fault. 781 00:40:27,525 --> 00:40:28,526 But we know it's not. 782 00:40:29,961 --> 00:40:34,198 [Aziza] It's still scary for me, to be honest, to speak out, 783 00:40:34,299 --> 00:40:36,901 but my drive is to help people. 784 00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:39,804 Just knowing that I saved at least one person from 785 00:40:39,904 --> 00:40:43,908 going through what we had to go through was important for me. 786 00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:47,245 It still is important for me, so I'll keep speaking out. 787 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,981 Stalkers like Seti prey on silence. 788 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:52,050 They prey on you feeling alone. 789 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:57,055 You both are such a beacon of hope and strength, 790 00:40:57,155 --> 00:40:58,990 and you've shed light for us 791 00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:00,558 and for every single person watching today. 792 00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:05,263 But Aziza, Lyn, Ashley, their courage shows 793 00:41:05,363 --> 00:41:06,364 that we survive. 794 00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:08,399 Together. 795 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,376 [woman] You could just see it like a train wreck. 796 00:41:19,377 --> 00:41:20,411 You knew it was coming 797 00:41:20,511 --> 00:41:22,413 and there was just nothing you could do to stop it. 798 00:41:23,915 --> 00:41:26,250 Just a drip of blood, just started going right down 799 00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:29,387 [woman] She went there to absolutely terrorize him. 800 00:41:30,288 --> 00:41:31,556 And that's when I start to panic.